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19:32:13 programs that you find interesting and in particular, and Android apps.
19:32:20 Android apps. And I got an Android app which I came across lately. And I'd like to talk a little bit about it.
19:32:31 Oh, that's me right.
19:32:35 So as you probably know, I, I've used a couple of different 500 file explorer farm manager apps.
19:32:44 And they started off like using as soon as File Manager, and which was a very simple program.
19:32:52 And then when I routed the phone I found that I needed something with a bit more power, and I moved to explore File Manager.
19:33:02 And that's quite a good File Manager, Except it's a little bit complex if you, if you want something fairly simple.
19:33:13 So recently I, I had to refresh my phone completely which meant blowing away the router installing custom CD ROM again.
19:33:27 And because I don't have root I thought I I install File Manager again the simple.
19:33:31 One of the problems is a service doesn't support File Manager anymore and it's not available in the Google Play Store and export file manager still there but as I say that's a little bit complex for some things.
19:33:46 So I looked around on the web, and try it a few different foreign languages.
19:33:51 I came across this one. it's called cx File Explorer.
19:33:56 And that is basically very similar to a sous product.
19:34:00 So if you go to the next slide. And Chris.
19:34:06 My phone is now on routine so that's probably the case for most people on the call.
19:34:12 And if that's the case and this is kind of the first screen that you'll see.
19:34:17 And the program has two panels, if you like, there's a proper panel which is in blue, which gives you an overview of one of the storage areas. And in particular, this is showing the main storage or the internal storage on the phone.
19:34:35 And it gives you the usage.
19:34:40 In total, 63%, being used, and five of eight gigabytes and use, and also give you some broad categories, and if space being used by images and space being used by videos, etc.
19:34:57 I noticed also isn't our eyes button to get more in depth on the storage and we'll come back to that in a minute.
19:35:05 But this is the main window so the next area of interest is that law panel.
19:35:11 And you notice that it basically has three different tabs if you like as a local tab which we're looking at right now.
19:35:19 There's a library tab.
19:35:21 Network tab, so that the local tab, and basically gives you quick access using these colored icons to the main storage so that's the internal storage again, the SD card which is the external storage they installed micro SD card, and any files that have
19:35:41 been downloaded from the internet.
19:35:45 There's a link to app so you can check the settings and the level of cash and that kind of thing.
19:35:51 On any given half.
19:35:53 There's also a link to the recycle bin, and the recycle bin is used for deleted files.
19:36:03 By default, if we go to the next slide.
19:36:05 And if I, if I go to that blue panel, and I swipe it to the left. Then,
19:36:18 sorry I'm definitely trying to kill off my phone yet.
19:36:22 I'm sorry if I go to that willpower I swipe it to the left and the view changes from the main memory internal memory to the SD card the expo memory.
19:36:34 And I get the same kind of information the, the usage on that SD card. And, again, broken down by the different file categories.
19:36:46 And so if I go to the next slide this.
19:36:51 If I move from the main story by using this icon the SD card icon in the law panel.
19:36:58 If I tap on that, that it will bring up this screen on the right hand side of the slide here, which shows the different folders, which are available on the SD card so typically now you've got the normal kind of file explorer and view where you can look
19:37:18 at the different folders you can open a folder. See what files are inside it. You can move or copy those for those files delete them whenever you want to do.
19:37:29 And we keep going, Chris.
19:37:34 They put up out on the lower that they have a tab on the low Hello panel is called library, and basically that changes the icon. So now the icons are giving you a view of the available folders files, broken out by category so for example, you've got images
19:37:58 and audio videos and documents. And there's also a folder for new files so files that you played with recently.
19:38:08 If we go to the image category.
19:38:12 Then, the interesting thing about cx File Explorer is that it has built in, viewers so this is the built in image view.
19:38:21 So it's very much like having a standalone gallery app.
19:38:26 In fact it has all the same features as a normal gallery so if I'm going to use CSS file explorer.
19:38:36 And as my kind of daily driver File Manager.
19:38:40 It really means I have no need for a gallery app I don't need a PDF viewer. I don't need a video player, because they're all built in to this one application.
19:38:53 And you can kind of see that the image viewer is working as, as it normally would.
19:39:00 You can see that by default is, it's gone to my drive. And it's found all of the folders, which contain any kinds of images. So you can see as a Pictures folder which has got five images and that's actually looking at screenshots.
19:39:19 As a folder called receive files which I use to transfer files back into my PC.
19:39:25 That's got five images to a different images.
19:39:29 And there's a camera, where pictures are stored and you can see my little doggie jail picture there to make sure that you know what we're looking at.
19:39:40 And so the photos are selected automatically.
19:39:45 And, but now I think we can go to the next slide, which will show us
19:39:55 image so now I click on the WJL picture.
19:40:00 You can see that it's now showing that image basically full screen, and I have the option to delete it. And I have the option to get information about it so that the information icon in the bottom right hand corner there would tell me where this file
19:40:18 exists but its name is what folder is in. And so I could navigate to that using the file manager if I wish to do so.
19:40:27 Ellen you mentioned that it would view PDF files as a consider them to be an image or no it, it knows about PDF files if you click on white pulls up a PDF, you I believe.
19:40:38 Okay.
19:40:44 So here we're looking at not received Files folder.
19:40:50 And you can see there's a number of different images in there, and I decided that I'm going to tag two of them so you can see two of them are essentially highlighted.
19:41:01 At the bottom now I have the option to copy those files somewhere, move them to a different folder.
19:41:08 I could rename, I could rename them. I can delete them.
19:41:12 And if I hit the more icon, then I'm able to share them by email or something like that. Or I can find their properties. So again I can find out where they're actually located on the drive.
19:41:28 Now the question I want one of the previous slides you had that it could look at a deleted items folder does it have its own deleted items folder where it will put everything or uses this Recycle Bin which we actually that's what we're going to do that's
19:41:47 supposedly going to delete these two files so I come back and offer this to move them to recycle them.
19:41:53 By default it will just, it will just move copy them over to the recycle bin and leave them there. But you notice that there's a checkbox I can click on permanently delete.
19:42:03 And then that won't save them into the recycle bin it will actually remove them. And all together.
19:42:11 So it's quite an interesting program.
19:42:16 And if we go to the next slide, we can go back to the main screen and see what this. Analyze button does in that blue tablets on the top of the screen.
19:42:29 And basically what it does is it displays the storage being used by different file categories, and also identifies large files so anything that's bigger than 10 megabytes, it will display and show them with the largest file being displayed first.
19:42:47 So you can see that in the top end of the window there. I have 635 megabytes of images I've got no videos. I got 1.4 gigabytes of archived files.
19:43:03 And I got some audio and some documents and that sort of stuff.
19:43:07 I got 20 gigabytes, which are called closes.
19:43:12 I think those are probably these large files down the bottom here.
19:43:17 Some of them, well they're almost all backup files twerp is the team when recovery project backup program.
19:43:28 So these are full system backups, which are a couple of gigabytes each and I've got several of them, and squirreled away that.
19:43:37 And because sometimes when things blow up, I actually just recover the whole system by going to one of those backups.
19:43:45 And so I tend to keep those on handle a time. But I save them onto the SD card because that's got 32 gig of storage. And so I got lots of places to store things and not really worry about running out of internal memory.
19:44:04 I can if I click on the SD card on the, on the top.
19:44:12 Then, I get that same kind of fold of you have locks on the SD card. But now it's kind of showing me these green bars which are kind of indicating how much storage is being used in any one of those photos so as well as a number like the twit photo has
19:44:33 19 gigabytes of files. Android has two gigabytes of files, and you can see the green bars are showing you the, the relative difference there.
19:44:43 So it's kind of a handy way to to look at things.
19:44:47 Okay, Let's go back to the main window one last time.
19:44:51 And you'll see now we have the Network tab, and the Network tab gives us two different options one says, access from.
19:45:01 And that basically gives you access to FTP transfers. So if you have an FTP server some way you can get in the credentials and login and manage files from the phone, and the FTP server, or you can choose a new location.
19:45:22 And if you choose new location, then you'll find that you get access to things like Dropbox so these Cloud Storage.
19:45:33 We also next slide Chris sorry. Yeah.
19:45:36 So you got cloud storage systems, Dropbox, Google Drive OneDrive and etc etc.
19:45:44 So that's it for cx File Explorer, it's a pretty simple user interface, and it's very efficient, and it actually gives you a lot of power in in very few screens.
19:46:00 So I'm really quite impressed with it.
19:46:02 And I think I think it's a keeper. I think I'm going to use this as my default file manager, going forward.
19:46:20 I had a question from Tom, Tom, saying, Can we please see the contents of the torque folder, I presume that those are just those backup files in the torque folder right yeah we call because the trip phone to the Wi Fi is on my phone right now we're dealing
19:46:28 with computers so yeah but that's always my phone to get.
19:46:33 But yeah, it really they basically, it's basically just like a series of disk image files.
19:46:41 And the story of zip files, essentially, and Twitter for you boot into recovery mode to work, recovery program loads. And then you have a menu where you can basically restore or create a new backup, or, you know, things like that.
19:47:00 Sir, Rick comment about that for free for managers got over 10 million downloads, so that's a pretty good science, one of the things that I tend to look for when I'm at the Play Store is number of downloads, and if something has only been downloaded a
19:47:16 couple of thousand times, I tend to avoid it for a while, thinking that there are possibilities that it's going to do some things that people don't like.
19:47:26 But if something's got 10 million downloads it's probably got a pretty good history behind it had a question I'll end on the when it's when it's finding things like say pictures or documents.
19:47:39 Is it just automatically going out and looking at every storage location on the phone.
19:47:44 In order to give you that consolidated view.
19:47:48 Pretty much. It's automatic I don't do anything, it just goes out and looks right. It seems to find the major me vocations for example anyway.
19:47:58 Okay, so on if you had a folder on your SD card of just, you know, called vacation, or something like that. That happened to include some images, it would end up automatically finding those reasonable because you think about that, that's what received
19:48:15 files is.
19:48:18 It has all kinds of different files inside it. Just having someone on our images. Yeah, Yeah, interesting.
19:48:24 Yeah might give it a shot is interesting, and the other interesting thing is it's anomalous.
19:48:39 The person that created the developer doesn't get his name doesn't seem to have a website to speak up. And yet he has 10 million downloads, which I find quite amazing.
19:48:45 Yeah. Pretty cool.
19:48:46 Okay, do we have any other questions for Alan on that. Any other comments on other people using different file managers that you see something worthwhile elder and says, Is this something that might be operating similar to the USB sticks that will search
19:49:02 out all your pictures and if it did that you could save them to chip
19:49:12 good pictures so you know where they are, and you could have the.
19:49:18 You could use the function to copy them to somewhere else.
19:49:22 Yeah, bit tricky with a, like a USP because you have to connect.
19:49:29 You probably have to go to your computer that would be the easiest way to do it everything.
19:49:37 Yeah, there are, let's say, there are flash drives that can plug into a phone and they're called over the air over the.
19:49:46 I forget it so t something somebody else must know that the name of it, and they're designed to be able to show up as a storage location that you can then just copy things back and forth from.
19:50:00 I know that your, your file manager has to understand this particular protocol.
19:50:07 But I use, I have used total commander for Android, and it does understand these devices and works fine. It just shows up as another storage location.
19:50:26 So if you if you do have a port that you can plug a flash drive into you could end up doing something like that or tg USB on the go.
19:50:32 Okay.
19:50:33 OK, I remember rightly we talked about that they
19:50:39 tape talking texting we did a couple years ago.
19:50:43 Okay.
19:50:44 Oh USB on the goal is something where you can attach a USB stick or something else I suppose to a phone because.
19:50:57 Ordinarily, you can't do that unless it unless you have USB on.
19:51:02 Yeah.
19:51:05 I have used it on occasion and it worked fine but quite frankly I find it just, just as easy to just plug my phone into my computer and then do all the operations from my computer.
19:51:19 But of course it doesn't do things like, Alan is pointed out where it automatically finds photographs for example, where regardless of what location there and you have basically no than what location to go to to define the files that you're interested
19:51:34 in.
19:51:36 But for me and my simple usage of file, file management on my phone that seems to be enough for that, but I might get to this want to try it looks quite capable File Manager.
19:51:54 Prices right so anyway. That's true. Yeah. I particularly worried about apps on my phone now they tend to chew through battery.
19:52:01 My phone you used to get four days on 24 hours a day, and it's now down to under two days on 24 hours a day. And I'm not sure exactly what's causing it to be so bad.
19:52:18 It is related to the radio, mostly though, because if I go into airplane mode, I can get seven days of my phone being on.
19:52:26 If I'm if I if the radios are all turned off so it's to do with radios, but I don't know how to tune them down so they don't check as aggressively for, I don't know network connections or if there's new mail or, I don't know what they're doing.
19:52:43 If anybody has some ideas on on how to increase battery life on phones Android phones. In particular, for the other radio usage.
19:52:58 I'd love to hear it, because I'm getting a little bit tech that the shorter battery life on my on my phone.
19:53:07 I was gonna say that your battery's gonna be wearing out.
19:53:09 Maybe that's not the case, you get seven days on airplane mode.
19:53:15 Yeah.
19:53:32 And I can see some things in the maintenance section on the version of Android that I have, which does talk about what apps are using the most battery.
19:53:46 But I don't think it's really breaking it down to the point of saying like, well, this is, this app is using it, but it's because it's using the radio, as opposed to, you know, whatever else an app, I do.
19:54:01 So I don't know, I yeah I might put the yeah that back on and just see if I get any interesting results out of it. Yeah, we had a whole bunch of monitoring capabilities.
19:54:12 Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
19:54:16 I use accurate battery for that hack your battery. Yeah.
19:54:22 I'll take a look at it to then say it on Walker here, I can usually get three to four days a usage battery charge over my phone with modest usage, but every once in a while, it'll, it'll for a few days in a row.
19:54:40 I have to recharge the battery up at least once during the day to keep it going. And I've tried to figure out what what is it in the background running that causes these periods of high usage.
19:54:54 Now use that happen every now and then. And what I found the solution was to reboot the phone.
19:55:00 As soon as I noticed that the battery drain was was really high. I reboot the phone and then it would be fine again for a while, and I don't know what it was either that kicked in and all of a sudden was using battery like crazy.
19:55:14 but my phone is about.
19:55:16 I guess about three years old now. So certainly the battery could be, you know, losing some of its ability to hold a charge. So another thing that really ticks me off about the modern phones is you can't easily change the battery.
19:55:33 My last phone which was the Samsung Galaxy s3. It was no problem you could pop back off, take the battery out, replace it. And I did that once, and certainly helped.
19:55:45 But now with my current one I sealed up unit. So, you can also pick, if you can change the battery. You can also buy extra batteries and just take them along with you and you go cuz Yeah, lighter than having a battery charger.
19:56:03 Lighter than having a battery charger. But if you want your battery to last for years, then it's best to keep the charge level to maximum 60 to 80%, then minimum, you know, 15, or 20%, and then your battery will have a much longer life.
19:56:22 But that doesn't tail usually charging several times a day but certainly it's convenient for me but it's also probably convenient for a lot of you guys with all the gray hair or no hair.
19:56:38 Yeah, another optimal really sucked the battery is, I've tried out the Android Auto to link with my in car system, and and the most I can get out of battery life is eight hours on a church home, and and the problem with Android Auto is.
19:56:57 You can turn it off because well I'm not in the car right now so who cares, but it turns itself back on anyway.
19:57:03 So I had done install it did get rid of that problem.
19:57:09 As to noted in the chat that location. Being on can be a battery hog and yeah I've turned off. Location stuff. So, actually I think yeah I'll double check but it's fell off.
19:57:25 I did turn it off at one point but I might have turned it back on again, I don't know what I do for what it's worth, is that you actually get apps to move your location status.
19:57:39 And obviously if it's spoofing your location status then it doesn't have to use the, the radio receiver for the location. So, most, most of the time that I'm on my phone I'm actually located at the prime minister's house.
19:57:55 Lucky you.
19:57:59 burns a lot of batteries Bluetooth.
19:58:03 Oh, ok.
19:58:08 I have Bluetooth turned on because my car I can connect up with the GPS and that's why I get traffic on my GPS unit is through a Bluetooth connection to my phone.
19:58:20 You remember to change off when you're not in the car. Well I don't because yeah I'll forget turn it back on again when I do get back in the car so I might turn it off and just see if the problem goes away for me and then decide whether I really care
19:58:33 about the traffic on on the GPS or not.
19:58:38 I mean, it can be handy sometimes but for the most part, I don't think having traffic is all that big a deal, while I'm in the car.
19:58:48 Good idea. I'll try that time how do you move your location on your phone.
19:58:59 Tom looks like maybe he's gone away I can be coming back here.
19:59:06 Okay. Let me check the app. It is.
19:59:12 It is cool.
19:59:19 Hmm,
19:59:22 very obvious I think it's called location Spoofer okay if I can figure this all started here.
19:59:28 It is a.
19:59:33 That becomes was as it is for free,
19:59:38 but I can't.
19:59:41 I can't see what's the name is just like.
19:59:50 Let's go down.
19:59:50 Check the location.
19:59:55 There are a number of apps at the Play Store I just did a search on location Spoofer. And there's one called Fake GPS, go location. Fake GPS location, GPS emulator.
20:00:08 Fake GPS locator changer.
20:00:13 Well it looks like is this.
20:00:18 Yeah, we're not gonna say anything with a have turned off your virtual background, I think.
20:00:25 Okay, thanks very much.
20:00:28 Okay, cool.
20:00:31 Apparently, which it works for most applications.
20:00:35 So, I believe that you smart or DCs applications, get around it but not greatly aware of that.
20:00:47 Okay, well let's move on then, and we had an input from Stuart, and Stuart did you want to talk to this or.
20:01:03 I can't see very much because I don't have a 5g Samsung phone.
20:01:12 But
20:01:15 the thrust of the, The article about disabling 5g was if you were on a network or with a carrier that doesn't have five G.
20:01:27 You could save battery life by turning it off.
20:01:32 And if you
20:01:37 can't turn it off. The setting is not available in the regular settings.
20:01:44 There's an app mentioned in the article somewhere that purports to work on, not just Samsung phones for getting into the data and Wi Fi settings, a little more deeply.
20:01:59 And again, I didn't try it because it's not of interest to me personally, but if I remember, Chris, you mentioned a while ago.
20:02:11 curiosity about switching the public mobile on a 3g network.
20:02:17 Yeah.
20:02:18 Yeah, I did switch to.
20:02:22 I'm with Virgin, and so I was on their 4g LTE, and they had another plan where I could save 10 bucks a month by going to 3g. And it turns out I think it was you mentioned those that might not actually be on a 3g network but just 3g speeds so they're just
20:02:40 just throttling it, and sure enough on the, on the virgin website where they list their plans. It does say 3g speed. And so it's probably they're just throttling any of the connections.
20:02:54 I did switch to it. So I'm now saving 10 bucks a month, plus tax so $11 and 30 cents a month, and personally I don't think I'll ever notice the difference because I don't stream movies or anything like that.
20:03:09 I use it for email.
20:03:18 And so certainly on the emails I'm never going to notice that, you know, an email took an extra 15 seconds to command or something like that. And so far the amount of web browsing I do.
20:03:29 It wasn't anything that I really noticed like holy cow things are really slow. So, I would actually recommend that anybody who has, you know, a phone plan now take a look at the plans that your carrier offers.
20:03:42 Because you, you might be able to save a bunch of money just by going to a little bit slower speed or something like that, it's always worth looking at the carrier's plans periodically they, they're constantly changing them.
20:03:57 Certainly, to the articles point, not only saving the money, the thrust of the article was saving battery power to. Yeah, which we just talked about. Yeah.
20:04:14 If you're just using 3g speed and you have a 4g enabled phone, wouldn't you want to turn off the 4g radio.
20:04:18 Saving battery that way, etc same thought, I don't know if it's capable on that I should actually look into that to see if the phone I got was a way to try it myself but the app indicate that you could, sorry the article indicated the app that referenced
20:04:33 indicated you could go in more deeply than the regular settings on the phone would let you.
20:04:50 Yeah.
20:04:57 I fire if I can see a deal. There are two reasons to use 5g one is if you're in a very congested area. Because 5g will give you bandwidth. In, when it's really crowded when you're in a subway and there's lots of other users and so on.
20:05:08 And the second reason. Reason is when, when you really need fast internet such as when you're streaming, a TV show or a movie or something like that. I don't see a great reason for others knows to.
20:05:24 Yeah, yeah. In fact, the higher speeds benefit the carrier's more than the users, because they're dumping their data out faster and moving on to the next customer.
20:05:36 And most of the stuff we do we download it faster than our phones process it anyway. Yeah, they're they're hopeful that if you use data quicker you'll use more data and pay for a bigger plan.
20:05:48 drew Lawrence had a comment in the chat.
20:05:52 Just to the idea of disabling 5g.
20:05:56 Do we know how much battery is consumed by 5g being on.
20:06:01 And he's just wondering whether it's worth turning it off. And I guess the short answer right now is I know we don't know how much would vary on a case by case basis.
20:06:12 Yeah, individual use individual phone locations. I suspect there be some just on the basis that the phone will probably be periodically just checking to see, is there 5g available.
20:06:27 And then failing and going back to 4g and then waking up again and saying, Oh, is it there now.
20:06:33 Exactly. Yeah, because it's if it's enabled it's checking for it. Yeah.
20:06:39 And that's one thing with 4g if you're only using a 3g speed or network.
20:06:46 The phone is going to be checking for 4g if it's enabled.
20:06:49 Yeah.
20:06:50 Public mobile i think is TELUS is sub, sub brand that offers cheap rates that are only 3g.
20:07:00 Okay.
20:07:02 Yeah, one of the things I was concerned about was cup coverage as well and I check with Virgin on that. And they said, if anything, there will be areas where there's 3g coverage that there isn't 4g coverage but not the reverse.
20:07:16 So, you know, they said, in all cases, if, if I'm on 3g I'll have more coverage than I would on 4g LTE. So, that was both the only concern I really had.
20:07:30 Yeah, thanks folks for a couple of ideas especially Bluetooth I'll definitely check that out.
20:07:35 And I'll try a couple of the battery monitoring apps and see if I can come up with some kind of conclusive evidence about what's causing my battery to have Apple if you use them.
20:07:49 And if I find out anything I will definitely report back at a future q amp a.
20:07:55 If I could say one last thing. Sure, you can replace a non replaceable battery.
20:08:03 I can.
20:08:10 No, not you. But there are plenty of shop around that can do it. I used to work in electronics manufacturing, you wouldn't believe how many things we replaced, that the average person would swear you couldn't replace.
20:08:19 Yeah, it's true I suspect that it would be an outrageous price to do so.
20:08:25 Not not unreasonable. It's just not the right tool will do the job really fast. It's just the soldering and resourcing.
20:08:34 Yeah.
20:08:38 A lot of these cell phone repair kiosks at some of the malls, They can swap your battery out fairly quickly as well.
20:08:47 Yeah, okay.
20:08:50 Well, but the waterproof phones are generally tend to be harder to change the battery because they have all kinds of new and stuff. If you go to I fix it, you can get a.
20:09:02 I fix it, calm, I guess, not really good they sell tools and give you instructional videos as to how to take apart your phone but they'll also give you a give, they give each phone a kind of a spoiler as to how easy it is to alter it to change the battery
20:09:20 and other stuff like that. Yeah.
20:09:23 Yeah. Also if it's your phones old enough the needs of battery replacement.
20:09:28 It's probably not water resistant anymore either.
20:09:43 Actually, there was an app by didn't share with the group about testing your phones water resistance where you just squeeze the screen and see if what the results are.
20:09:47 And I have a Samsung eight. It's about three years old, and it's supposed to be ip 68, you know, good to so many meters for so long.
20:10:00 Not, not now, I wouldn't even go out in the rain with it.
20:10:06 best to test best to test the water resistance say in the last month of the warranties, then maybe you I do you have a
20:10:19 phone that really works well or you get a new phone.
20:10:23 Yeah.
20:10:24 Martin add a comment on for the phone battery draw down. I find turning off Wi Fi when moving around saving the phone continuously picking up new networks.
20:10:34 I agree that turning out to Wi Fi is something that would be good. The trouble I have with that is I forget to turn it back on when I come back home. And so, you know, it says, I prefer to have a solution that I don't have to be constantly thinking about
20:10:49 what I have to turn on or turn off at any particular point in time, but yeah i agree it could often be an option for people, especially if you've got you know like really high data plan, and you don't care if you're using the Wi Fi.
20:11:05 That might be a good solution, extra fact for me I'm probably good on that too because I, I have a three gig data plan, and I usually use 100 megabytes, on, on the cellular network.
20:11:19 The rest of it all have.
20:11:23 Typically, over, over a gigabyte, a month on Wi Fi. And that's largely apps updating and things like that.
20:11:31 If you, if you do, you have either Samsung to and if you dig into your connection settings you can, there is something about automatically turning on trusted Wi Fi.
20:11:44 Oh, so when if you have your Wi Fi off by default when you're out and about on data when you come home, it says all your home, and it turns on the Wi Fi.
20:11:54 Okay.
20:11:56 There are some automated apps that will do that for you I think IFIFTT If This Then That and also mate, and some others that will do different things turn on and off Wi Fi and so on, based on your location or turn off your location.
20:12:18 When you're in a particular Wi Fi when you're connected to a particular Wi Fi in a variety of things like that it's. If you care a lot about those things you can actually put them in and and have them happen.
20:12:34 So that when you come home, though, your Wi Fi is turned on. And when you leave home it's automatically turned off. Yeah, Yeah, with the Samsung it's called a trusted network setting, so it automatically knows when I'm home, or when I'm at the end laws
20:12:51 or.
20:12:53 I know but it still has we're using Wi Fi to do that.
20:12:57 So Wi Fi is still on at that point.
20:13:02 Okay, I think we should move on we do have somebody to step four with a share so we got one other thing on the agenda, and then we'll move on to this next item.
20:13:12 So, if there's anybody on the call, who is a member who did not get an email yesterday, inviting them to fill out the OPCUG survey, you might want to check your spam folder or check with Mark to see whether he has your up to date, email address, because
20:13:30 I did go out to everybody's email address of record in the membership database.
20:13:35 So, if you haven't filled it out. We certainly encourage people to go in and take a look at the survey and felt that it should take you less than five minutes.
20:13:47 And this is, I mentioned, my guess a couple of months ago, when somebody brought up the idea of are we going to go back to in in person meetings, and that we were going to go back to the membership to check on how they felt about things.
20:14:02 This is that opportunity for people to speak up and say, whether they want in person meetings and under what conditions, they would like them. So, in, and you'll notice in the first paragraph of it, we recognize the need for continued, video conferencing
20:14:20 so zoom meetings. But at some point, likely this fall. We are going to have the opportunity to go back to in person meetings. So that's what we're trying to gauge on the survey.
20:14:35 So, the if you clicked on the email. The phyllo form it gave you a URL that was about 120 characters long.
20:14:44 So I did a tiny URL for it so if you are typing it in manually. You can just go to tiny URL. com slash. Hope to see you g hyphen survey.
20:14:55 And that will take you to the survey, as I say, it's about five minutes it's anonymous.
20:15:02 There are a couple of places in the survey where you can fill out more detailed information. If we didn't capture your thoughts about any particular item on the survey.
20:15:21 It did go out to just members. But if non members want to fill it out. I would say sure, because we definitely want to capture the idea of anybody, and their, how they want to look at in person meetings again, I would say that if you are a non members
20:15:34 filling it out, perhaps in the last comment field, you might want to mention that you're not a member, but you could mention whether this would influence you to become a member, or just that you wanted to say how as a non member you felt about the the
20:15:50 idea of going back to in person meetings or whatever. So that would be appreciated everybody you can fill that out, please do so.
20:15:58 Okay and now apparently Jocelyn has a share for us so just fine. Let me make you a co host.
20:16:10 I can find the right window.
20:16:12 There we go.
20:16:16 And.
20:16:20 Okay, Josh, you are now a co host. So if you want to share your screen and take it away.
20:16:35 Try to do just that.
20:16:37 Okay. Basically it's just a thought on the something that I talked a bit. You can see my screen or still coming up.
20:16:45 it saying, oh, there we go. Got it.
20:16:48 Okay, what's not in full swing.
20:16:55 Hit f5 yeah I did, I did, I did.
20:17:01 It's probably sharing a different, different window that maybe a different window.
20:17:07 Sony but are there this.
20:17:11 Yeah. Okay, I think I got it. All right.
20:17:15 Just had some problem with senior l from an old window program so Tom did suggested to try the program, Elton and Doc, so which I did.
20:17:28 And I installed the program.
20:17:37 This is the website how it looks like.
20:17:42 There's two versions, there is the personal use or the folio so I tried the personal news so that worked very well.
20:17:51 When I tried to.
20:17:54 When you install the program, it gives you, you can import the file from the old window program that you have, or you can use the whole folder, which I did.
20:18:06 And, Sonia say, go ahead and start to import all the file so it takes quite a while ago.
20:18:14 In my case it took something like three or four minutes to go through all the, all the files so.
20:18:22 But I ran into a problem.
20:18:25 It says that the compiler can be found.
20:18:29 But the solution was right below. Download Microsoft HTML help workshop.
20:18:38 I don't know why it's called a workshop but anyway so I tried it out, and that's solve the problem, and I was able to import the file.
20:18:49 The.
20:18:51 So this is basically what I got.
20:18:56 The problem I had is on the left side, you see the, the help from the original program with the workaround I mentioned before, the two three weeks ago.
20:19:10 And on the right side is the same help out but one of the problem I ran into is that all the hierarchy is now gone it's everything is flat.
20:19:23 So, so I, that's where basically where I am at this time, I'm not too sure if this one seems to be an easy way to keep the hierarchy so it's a nice thing it works.
20:19:40 But, but the dark is not preserved so when you click on the on the on one of the file.
20:19:48 If I can switch. Let me switch that
20:19:53 wouldn't go.
20:19:57 Sorry.
20:19:59 Okay.
20:20:00 When you click right click you can add topics. There is a lot of different things. But as far as I can tell, it will, it would take quite a bit of work to re cover or redo the the the hierarchy of the thing.
20:20:16 So, this is my results so far so if somebody has tried to program and knows a way to keep the rip I would be very much interested or other than that it's still a useful thing because it's still till, at least I am able to access the L file so that's,
20:20:38 that's great.
20:20:40 Thanks very much.
20:20:43 Any other comments from other people.
20:20:50 Maybe I shouldn't I shouldn't use uses to view ca km files which are the old Microsoft health help files, as there is a CH m reader apparently in the Microsoft Store.
20:21:03 I put a link
20:21:08 up literally
20:21:11 in the, in the chat in the chat today. Josh was it chm files RHLP files, a year was an H HOBF I remember, okay that's going really way back.
20:21:27 Yeah.
20:21:28 Yeah. The chm was compiled help something. Yeah, was what that format was.
20:21:39 Leave it to Microsoft to drop support for things right. Yeah, it was working fine, so
20:21:48 I think they did have a problem at one point that there was a vulnerability in the help processing engine or something. But why they didn't just fix that rather than just banding and preventing it from working I have no clue.
20:22:03 but it wasn't a jumpy.
20:22:07 Yeah.
20:22:07 Okay, thanks very much.
20:22:10 Just for showing us that.
20:22:13 So I'm just going to go back to sharing on here, to wrap things up so we have our members favorite coming up at our regular monthly meetings September 8.
20:22:26 So there will be a prize, two terabyte external hard drive for the best presentation.
20:22:33 So presentations should be anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes and time.
20:22:39 Only club members, not board members will be eligible for the prize. And we will be having a real time poll.
20:22:48 After all of the presentations to determine the winner of that drive, and we'll figure it out later on how we're going to actually get the drive to the winter.
20:22:57 So hopefully we don't have to drive to win again to deliver to you there's two, so.
20:23:04 Okay. And I think that that's it for material we have tonight so we do have some time So, are there any other questions or comments or suggestions that people wanted to share with others on the call tonight.
20:23:21 I am a question scale. Yep.
20:23:25 I'm the whole time of this zoom call across my screen at the bottom the words are being typed.
20:23:42 I was actually hoping nobody would even really notice that because I I don't know how, how well this is going to work in the end result. Last week, it was brought up Tom mentioned that there is a transcription feature with zoom now, and I went looking for it
20:23:51 again, and couldn't find it under the.
20:23:55 The plan that we're on which is the Pro.
20:23:59 And I everything I searched on at their site was indicating that it was enterprise, or above was the only ones that had access to transcription.
20:24:09 But then I found one other place where they talked about.
20:24:14 Yes, you could get it with Pro, and it was a different location that you had to go and turn it on, and I found it, and I turned it on, and I did a test one with Alan and we seem to think well, it actually does function correctly, it has some limitations
20:24:30 over top of our from the enterprise and above, have some capabilities for the transcription that go beyond what we have the ability to do. One of the things that we have to do is remember to save the transcription, because while you see it going by on
20:24:47 the, on the scroll.
20:24:50 I think if you look in your.
20:24:53 The command panel.
20:24:56 You should see an option in there dealing with transcription.
20:25:00 And there should be a view full transcript.
20:25:03 I don't know if everybody sees it, but I think you will see, if you go to a chevron or something like that, there will be a view full transcript.
20:25:12 And what I have to end up remote reminding myself to do is clicking on Save transcript at the end of the evening. I think if you're on enterprise and so forth, they can do that automatically, and then save the, the transcript so I'll just have to remember
20:25:25 to do it manually.
20:25:28 We are not going to go in and do any correction on anything. So there's lots of errors that I saw in the transcript as it was going by. However, as long as I remember to save the transcript each time we will include the transcript along with the auto
20:25:44 audio file, as well as the deck.
20:25:50 You've had for, I'm just I just clicked on these live transcript button at the bottom and it shows up on the right side. Yeah.
20:25:57 And I was just noticing that I was going to complain that it didn't say, who was saying what just says the what but in fact it actually shows who as well as.
20:26:09 That's what So Tom Traci doesn't put it in the right place. No, this is the thing that Alan and I came across on that we found that yeah I see names periodically, but I don't think it's completely correct.
20:26:25 So, anyhow.
20:26:29 We're not going to try and go in and correct anything, I'll probably put a header on the text file just saying this is as it was transcribed by zoom, use it or not, as you see fit, but we're not going to do anything to try and make it more accurate.
20:26:45 So we'll see if people find it useful, by all means let us know. It should get picked up by Google. And so it will be index that Google. So, you may find it more or a little bit easier to find past topics.
20:27:02 If you remember some of the discussion that went on. Eventually you should be able to search for all of this stuff in, in, in Google
20:27:12 on the website with the other files, but I really encourage you to take a look at it and tell us whether it's good, bad or indifferent.
20:27:25 If nobody will waste your time. There's no use. We should even bother trying to use it.
20:27:28 Yeah.
20:27:30 Yeah, I think you should have probably warned us this well.
20:27:35 The reason why I didn't warn anybody was because we already do the audio. So, everybody.
20:27:43 It's a bit distracting on my screen because it's on the bottom and it cuts across the picture but it's not the end of the world and I didn't watch it while it was going on because I'm a visual person and can't help myself.
20:27:56 And it will turn it off.
20:28:00 I
20:28:01 know on the iPad okay that's irritating here you've got the transcript button you can click it and you've got hide subtitle.
20:28:15 Anyhow, I yet something else go. No, that's okay.
20:28:19 I have something to share. Yeah, okay.
20:28:23 Today I receive information about a free tool to to free windows 11 compatibility check tool that I tried on two of my machines, it's put out by wise cleaner wise cleaner.com I like I said I tried it on two machines, one of my laptops is chose that is
20:28:46 incompatible for Windows 11 and the other one is not.
20:28:49 Okay, good. Oh, I just put the link there in the, in the chat.
20:28:57 That's great. Thanks very much, sir. Check it check for the TPM 2.0 compatibility. Okay. Do you know if it's any different than the other one that was shown, I guess it was last week.
20:29:08 I'm not sure if I missed one week so it could be that one. Okay. Yeah, there was somebody put out another one that basically we put up a single screen that lists that all of the things that were compatibility checks and would say whether passed or failed.
20:29:25 And so interesting to see if this is any different.
20:29:33 It does help to an easy way to check. Yep.
20:29:35 We have a comment, I'd like to transcript, it gives me another, to understand what is said my mother tongue is not English, Oh yes. Okay.
20:29:51 So, with the transcript
20:29:51 guaranteed to be English it just may not be understandable, hey, yeah.
20:29:56 It'd be interesting to feed it through Google Translate and see what.
20:30:02 Okay, do we have any other last shares We are at 830 just now so share, they're just discovered this website that has lists free you Demi courses. They're only free for, I don't know, a day or 10 hours or whatever.
20:30:20 I'll put the link earlier I'll put it again just now.
20:30:27 And you can click on and roll for free. And there are variety of courses and they change each day so each day you get a somewhat different set of courses that you can enroll in, I found that it doesn't always work they're not always available, it says
20:31:08 courses so it is, it is possible to do it too They aren't, some of them are mass, some of them are, you know, GRVNG Matt, how to sell on Instagram forecasting using quantitative and qualitative methods, Microsoft 365.
20:31:36 so they may not be all of interest to you but they might be. Some of them might be in all of them might be of interest to somebody in pieces.
20:31:44 That's really great. Thanks very much john, I just happened to notice in the transcript I think that zoom must have hired somebody from Microsoft.
20:31:52 To do the transcription engine because it said, Microsoft 365. Awesome.
20:32:03 Talking about you to me once, once you read us once you enrolled, you can follow the course, anytime you want.
20:32:08 So that's a good point that Thomas, saying here if you if you get a chance to enroll for free.
20:32:15 You can follow the course anytime.
20:32:17 Oh, that's great. Very interesting.
20:32:22 It's it's the courses if you take a look at that one of them if you get one. You'll see there's video that may be anywhere from like 30 minutes to multiple 10s of hours.
20:32:36 And then there's other course material and so on that you can download.
20:32:41 So it's not a no and I've, I've, the courses I've taken a look at seem to be, you know quite, quite reasonable Not, not too, not too high or too low points but in terms of understand ability.
20:32:57 Cool.
20:32:58 All right.
20:32:59 Okay, I think we'll cut it off for tonight at that and so thanks very much everybody for your participation. So the queue is open for next week's q amp a if you have anything send it into suggestion box@obcug.ca.