00:10:10 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Welcome to all members and guests! Guests, if you want to join, see https://opcug.ca/join-or-renew/ Everyone will be muted during the presentation. Feel free to use the Chat window to comment and ask questions. After the presentation, people will be able to unmute themselves. Please feel free to do so if you want to ask a question or make a comment 00:12:40 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Our next Q&A session will commence at 7:30 pm on Wednesday, February 18th. Questions on any computer-related issues are welcome, as are mini-presentations of your favourite computer program or on an interesting topic that you would like to share with the group? Send your questions or brief details of what you would like to share to: SuggestionBox@opcug.ca. 00:14:43 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Once again, the Board of Directors has decided to offer a โ€œtwo for oneโ€ special to new members. Sign up for a $20 membership by March 31st, 2026 and get an additional year at no additional cost. As well, the OPCUG finances remain in excellent shape and membership renewal dues are being waived. All members in good standing on March 31st, 2026 will have their membership expiry date extended by an additional year at no additional cost. 00:14:53 Harvey Hope: Oy vey ... my camera seems to have died ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 00:15:33 Jeff Dubois: OMG, that was so funny. When Chris was asked what his background was I was thinking the question was geared towards his work at NRCan and the NCAN aerial photo days or something like that. I wasn't looking at the screen but just listening. Didn't realize the question was about the image background... 00:16:27 Coreen: who do we contact to confirm membership? 00:20:53 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "who do we contact to..." Lynda Buske is our Membership Chairperson, membership@opcug.ca 00:22:55 Lynda Buske: Replying to "who do we contact to..." Your membership is up to date Coreen. 00:23:39 Coreen: Replying to "who do we contact to..." Thankyou 00:23:57 Tristan: May want to check if OPCUG can get free banking from National Bank. The offer that to non-profits. I did so for my kids cadet program. 00:25:07 Tristan: https://www.nbc.ca/business/my-business/npo-association.html 00:25:40 Tristan: Yes they do. 00:26:03 Tristan: Muti-signatory E-transfer as well, if ask for it. 00:26:07 Natalie: Thanks to everyone who helps make the OPCUG run! 00:27:30 Coreen: Thank you 00:28:05 Stew Bruce: Harvey! That was the quickest camera repair I've ever seen 00:29:04 Harvey Hope: Replying to "Harvey! That was th..." It's called open the laptop lid ๐Ÿ‘ 00:29:19 Stew Bruce: Replying to "Harvey! That was th..." ๐Ÿ‘ 00:29:26 Timothy: Replying to "Harvey! That was th..." LOL 00:29:51 France Picard Ottawa: Reacted to "It's called open the..." with ๐Ÿ˜‚ 00:30:11 Harvey Hope: Replying to "Harvey! That was th..." Main webcam dead 00:32:32 Tom: With IMAP, are all the messages available offline? 00:32:46 Stew Bruce: Replying to "Harvey! That was th..." If you have an old phone handy, you can use the iriun app to set it up as a webcam. 00:32:46 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "With IMAP, are all t..." Yes they are 00:33:43 Coreen: Is there a limit on the volume of email messages and length of time? 00:33:43 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "With IMAP, are all t..." IMAP downloads to a local folder so the messages are on your computer 00:34:30 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "Is there a limit on ..." There can be . It depends on the mail provider. Gmail has a limit but it's typically huge! 00:36:06 Tom: Replying to "Is there a limit o..." But email storaage limited to what the servar allows? 00:37:50 Jeff Dubois: One more important distinction between Webmail and POP/IMAP Mail Client. You would only want to use Webmail if you're using someone else's computer whereas a Mail Client would be installed on YOUR OWN device. (It does remain though that you could use either Webmail OR Mail Client on your own computer.) 00:37:57 France Picard Ottawa: I guess gmail is webmail? Is Rogers POP? I vaguely say they were something like POP/IMAP or something like that? 00:38:32 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "I guess gmail is web..." You can access Gmail using an E-mail client (POP or IMAP) 00:38:45 France Picard Ottawa: Replying to "I guess gmail is web..." Thanks 00:38:47 Ma Vo: at one point in time Bell/Sympatico had a time limit on emails on their server (read or not) 00:39:02 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "I guess gmail is web..." Same for most mail providers, e.g. Bell and Rogers 00:39:31 Richard Bradford: POP allows keep on server for a specified number of days before deletion. 00:39:42 Harvey Hope: Replying to "I guess gmail is web..." Rogers is IMAP 00:39:58 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "at one point in time..." Any limits are set by the mail provider so you need to check with your specific provider what the rules are. 00:40:49 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "I guess gmail is web..." Gmail could be accessed by Webmail or with a Mail Client. 00:41:26 Tom: What mail clients are good? 00:41:59 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "What mail clients ar..." Thunderbird (IMNSOHO) 00:42:25 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "What mail clients ar..." Depends on your operating system. Thunderbird is common or Outlook if using a Windows machine. I like K9 for Android. 00:42:47 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "What mail clients ar..." K9 is transforming to Thunderbird 00:43:03 Martin Rice: I assume when referring to multiple computers you mean devices (e.g., smartphones). 00:43:16 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "I assume when referr..." That is correct 00:43:57 Coreen: Does Rogers use Yahoo web based client 00:44:30 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "Does Rogers use Yaho..." I believe that is the case 00:44:31 Bill: The drawback with imap is that if you read the mail and then delete it, if others have not read it, they never will. 00:45:31 Coreen: How does synchronization work with smartphone email clients? 00:45:52 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "The drawback with im..." That may not actually be a drawback! And, in general, whatever system you are using you have to be aware of the ramifications of doing anything with respect to shared use 00:46:26 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "How does synchroniza..." Synchronizes between the phone and the mail server just like the PC and the server 00:46:42 Ma Vo: Replying to "at one point in time..." agreed, but when they change their rules on a regular basis, it's hard to figure out how to manage the account. As in: this week they keep the emails for long periods of time; then change their minds and reduce the time to about 1 week; loose a bunch of emails you planned to keep on server for the flexibility of accessing them from any computer; then change their minds again and keep emails for extended period of time... and so on 00:47:00 France Picard Ottawa: my ipbone says that Rogers/Yahoo is SMTP. How does that fit into all of this? 00:47:10 Jeff Dubois: There was a time where mail providers set up POP by default because it's less intensive on their servers. Now it seems that most providers will swing to IMAP by default because many people now have multiple devices. And if you're going to choose a mail clients you should make sure it's 0Auth2 capable. 00:47:52 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "my ipbone says that ..." SMTP is the server for outgoing mail 00:48:02 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "my ipbone says that ..." SMTP is just how your mail gets sent to a server. It's simply a protocol. POP/IMAP is how you RECEIVE mail. SMTP is how you send it. 00:48:07 Harvey Hope: Replying to "my ipbone says that ..." SMTP is the server that sends email 00:48:27 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spam Monty Pythonโ€™s Flying Circus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKNt0MhTkk 00:49:05 Tom: If you use your ISP's email, eg Rogers, Bell, then if you change ISPs, you need to move all your mail. This can be hard.... 00:49:27 Lynda Buske: Does it mean if you have a phone and a computer you can't have POP? 00:49:32 Martin Rice: Replying to "How does synchroniza..." I use Outlook and installed the Outlook app from teh Microsoft store on my iPhone and use it (rather than the Apple email app). Synchronization occurs very quickly. 00:50:06 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Cost of spam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spam#Cost_of_spam 00:50:35 Tom: Replying to "Does it mean if yo..." It means that POP is more suitable is you access your mail with a single device 00:51:39 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "How does synchroniza..." Your smartphone mail client is most likely receiving mail via IMAP and sending via SMTP. 00:52:24 Greg: There's a website listing compromised databases and you can lookup your address. 00:52:30 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "Does it mean if you ..." You can use POP with two devices especially if you leave the messages on the server. Otherwise, the first device downloads the messages and there's nothing for the second device. 00:52:55 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "Does it mean if you ..." You could but the two devices would never be synced. I personally would never use POP with two devices. POP is only really practical or advisable if you have one PC or device 00:53:06 Tom: Replying to "There's a website ..." https://haveibeenpwned.com 00:54:38 Tom: https://www.techy.how/tutorials/make-multiple-emails-in-one-gmail-account 00:55:33 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Spam Cop https://www.spamcop.net/ 00:56:00 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Have I been pwned https://haveibeenpwned.com 00:56:51 Coreen: does the pwned site keep yor email address 01:00:27 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): RFC 5321 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5321 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol 01:01:35 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "does the pwned site ..." That is an awesome question. I have always taken it on good authority that they do not. But could they? Yes, any type of service that you provide your email address to could suddenly become nefarious. I suppose it's more a question of probability than certainty. 01:06:48 Harvey Hope: Responsible email service providers will use SPF 01:08:13 Natalie: Sometimes a legit e-mail gets put into my Gmail spam folder, even from a sender address that has previously sent me mail. I now check the spam folder before deleting everything in it. Is there a typical reason for it being flagged? 01:09:06 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Bayesian filters A Plan for Spam - Paul Graham (August 2002) https://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html 01:09:34 Steve Parker: snitcher.space - Detect Email Scams in 30 Seconds https://snitcher.space/ 01:10:15 Ma Vo: Replying to "Sometimes a legit e-..." maybe the email contains a trigger word maybe their is a mailing list involved are two potential reasons 01:10:22 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "Sometimes a legit e-..." Could be content based. If the email said something like "Wow, did I ever find a good deal today!" but not just that. Several things in addition. But it's often a "who knows why" because you may not know the multiple reasons why it was flagged. 01:10:33 Edith H.: I am getting w/o email address 01:11:33 Tom: https://getpopfile.org/docs/welcome is a baysian filter you can put inbetween your POP server and your mail client. As well as classifying spam, you can make as many classes to identify as you wish and add info in the message in the title or headers so your mail program can decide what to do. 01:12:10 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "I am getting w/o ema..." w/o = ? 01:16:42 Edith H.: Replying to "I am getting w/o ema..." without 01:18:00 Tom: City of Ottawa lost about $100k due to a fake email from a boss to send money to the phisher's account. 01:18:58 Carol Pearson: Should we block phishing if we get it? 01:19:16 Carol Pearson: Hot mails says sometimes block and report? 01:19:16 Darlene: I think I am confused about multi factor authentication. 01:19:32 Tom: Replying to "Should we block ph..." I do, but From/ReplyTo addresses usually faked 01:19:44 Darlene: If the bank sends a code to your phone, what is another possibly better alternative? 01:20:07 Edith H.: from 01:20:20 Edith H.: of course, scam 01:21:39 Edith H.: tried to press on reply, but said not possible, has no address 01:21:42 Natalie: Replying to "If the bank sends a ..." RBC gives an option for a call or text 01:21:57 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "If the bank sends a ..." Some banks offer an authentication app that generates the code on your phone rather than receiving it as a text message. 01:22:05 Tom: Replying to "If the bank sends ..." Alas, Messages, Phones very vulnerable. Best second factors are a usb key and/or an Authentor app on your phone. You set these up with the bank/site usually when you set up the account 01:22:32 Tom: Replying to "If the bank sends ..." Authenticator 01:22:48 Edith H.: phone - using a legit number 01:24:22 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Thunderbird https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/ 01:24:26 Tom: Replying to "If the bank sends ..." https://www.perplexity.ai/search/which-authenticator-apps-are-m-0D5iYQQBSUKLk01kibGSyQ#0 01:38:47 Timothy: When switching ISPs, don't cancel the old one until you have update all your web accounts that use your email address to validate who you are. 01:39:04 Jocelyn Doire: will all messages be moved to the new location? 01:39:57 France Picard Ottawa: Reacted to "When switching ISPs,..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:40:06 David Odynski DPCUG: Had sympatico since dial up days so yes it is hard to switch e mail I have a gmail account also so switching one o 01:40:26 David Odynski DPCUG: by one big chore 01:42:49 Greg: toaster was not available ?!! 01:42:57 Greg: Reacted to "toaster was not av..." with ๐Ÿ˜ 01:42:57 Tom: Replying to "Had sympatico sinc..." https://www.perplexity.ai/search/move-all-email-messages-and-fo-fbnrfvp_T923j1ClNmcEhw#0 01:42:57 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Replying to "will all messages be..." You would have to take care to move them 01:45:49 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: National Capital Freenet https://www.ncf.ca/ 01:45:58 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Temp-Mail https://temp-mail.org 01:45:59 Tom: More temp addresses: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/duckduckgo-addresses-what-are-8g8.L9XhTY2tJgy0ts6Tuw#0 01:47:50 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Rebel.com https://www.rebel.com 01:48:26 Greg: Are domain names secure ? I remember some WHOIS could show the address of the owner of the domain name. 01:48:30 Harvey Hope: Recommend using Canadian web hosting providers 01:48:39 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Web Hosting Canada https://whc.ca 01:48:51 Tom: if it's $10/year, can you buy multiple years at once? 01:49:09 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Replying to "if it's $10/year, ca..." I would say generally no. 01:49:33 Harvey Hope: Replying to "if it's $10/year, ca..." Yes 01:50:27 Tom: Not euros, C for Canadian, line struck thru 01:50:29 Timothy: A Canadian web site charging in Euros? 01:51:50 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "Are domain names sec..." You can specifiy to keep the information private. 01:52:10 Carol Pearson: Thank you very useful infomration 01:52:44 Gail Eagen OPCUG Secretary: Thank you both!! 01:53:27 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "if it's $10/year, ca..." Definitely. That's the cost-effective way. 01:53:37 Greg: Reacted to "You can specifiy t..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:53:53 Tom: Canadian firms more private than others due to legislation 01:54:02 Coreen: Thank you both. 01:54:28 Jeff Dubois: Have a good evening everyone. Have to run. 01:54:51 Timothy: thank you for tonight's presentation. 01:55:15 Ed Morawski: +You have to manually move the directories and their directories to relocate the local copies 01:55:17 France Picard Ottawa: Thank you. Interesting presentatoins 01:55:33 Rosemary: Thanks for the informative presentations. I may follow-up with questions for a future QA session. 01:55:51 Richard Bradford: Proton mail have a good secure system 01:56:19 Ed Morawski: it's a tricky process to move your PC-based mail but it's doable 01:57:59 E O'Driscoll: Excellent thank you both! 01:58:00 Deborah: Thank you very helpful! 01:58:05 Natalie: Thanks 01:58:10 Allison: That was great, thank you! 01:58:10 Ed Morawski: Excellent presentation!! 01:58:10 Greg: THank you