00:18:15 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): No Q&A tonight but our next Q&A session will commence at 7:30 pm on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 Questions on any computer-related problems, mini-presentations (shares) on your favourite Windows, Linux or Android application are welcome. You can ask about or share information on any Computer Basics or Smartphone Basics issue. You can also send us a Loonie Link (URL of a recommended Canadian website) or details of a favourite YouTube tech video or channel. Send your suggestions for topics, useful apps, questions, and shares to: SuggestionBox@opcug.ca (Note that questions, comments, and shares can be anonymous if requested.) 00:18:52 Coreen: Welcome 00:19:21 Tom Trottier: CIRAtainly... 00:21:28 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): OPCUG.ca !!! 00:27:26 Steve Parker: Sydney And Melbourne are in the wrong place on that map 00:37:36 Rosemary: Would Canadian Shield replace other security software such as Norton? 00:38:33 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Replying to "Would Canadian Shiel..." I will pass this on to Arfi, but the short answer is no. DNS-based security is one part of a layered defence strategy. 00:38:57 France Picard Ottawa: Reacted to "I will pass this on ..." with 👍 00:39:10 Margery: Does Canadian Shield work on Chromebook? 00:39:39 Arfi.Hagi-Yusuf (CIRA): https://performance.cira.ca/ 00:39:54 Greg: Do you publish a report of performance by internet provider? 00:40:46 Stew Bruce: A number of years ago I found a website the url of which I have since lost and forgot, that showed a graphical representation of worldwide cyber attacks. It occurred to me that possibly a number of these might be "friendly fire" test probe attacks. Is this a possibility? 00:40:57 Rosemary: Reacted to "I will pass this on ..." with 👍 00:41:11 Natalie: 13.25 download/3.72 upload 00:41:23 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Bell Fibe 43.78 and 18.07 00:41:26 Tom Trottier: Download speed 283.94 Mbps Latency 17.10 ms Jitter 0.04 ms Packet Loss 14.11 0/0 Upload speed 218.56 Mbps IPv6 No DNSSEC Yes 00:41:32 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: 394mbps down, 107mbps up 00:41:47 Tom Trottier: Less than my 1.5G down, 1G up 00:42:03 Denis Therrien: Rogers 350 / 12 00:42:19 Tom Trottier: Bell fibe 00:42:26 Ed Morawski: Rogers: 384.81/71.58 00:42:51 Bob G: 1.28 M down, 1.25 M up 00:42:56 Stew Bruce: 546 down, 384 up 00:43:00 Carol Pearson: does the computer have to be hard wired or is wiffi ok 00:43:02 bea: 101 down 29.69 up 00:43:21 Ed Morawski: 2nd test: 410.4 down/ 54.1 up 00:43:32 Phil: 56.06 and 80.41 00:43:47 Jeff Dubois: Tin can on the end of a skipping rope out here in 6 Toe Country... 28.68 Down 4.56 Up 00:43:58 Keith: Download speed 28.89 Mbps Upload speed 23.15 Mbps 00:44:01 Tom Trottier: DNSbench 00:44:08 Coreen: Download 31.96 mpbs 11.94mpbs upload 00:44:12 Gail Eagen: Rogers 75 Mbps up/10.3 down 00:44:22 Steve Parker: Download speed 39.73 Mbps Upload speed 2.79 Mbps 00:44:45 Tom Trottier: DNS bench - 3rd after Videotron, Radiant 00:45:10 Tom Trottier: Some questions: 00:45:10 Timothy: Rogers-Download speed 129.79 Mbps Upload speed 5.93 Mbps 00:45:12 Tom Trottier: When & Where is the Governance Forum? How can we register? When will everyone migrate to IPV6? Can we reserve now? Why is .ca more expensive than .com or .org or .net? How are you financed? Why no 1-letter domains? How does the Canadian Shield CIRA DNS compare with quad9 or openDNS for safety? When will everyone migrate to IPV6? Can we reserve now? What are the coming products 00:45:15 Denis Therrien: It is interesting to see all the different internet speeds obtained by our neighbours on the street from the CIRA map 00:45:17 Karen B: Download 340.46 Mbps; upload 27.77 Mbps 00:45:29 Tristan: Strange the download test, gives some large discrepancy vs other major testing platforms. Maybe some bandwidth limit on the test system??? CIRA says: 662 Mbps SpeedTest: 1743 Mbps 00:45:36 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Replying to "does the computer ha..." WiFi is fine. It is measuring whatever your connection is. 00:45:42 bea: Download speed 175.56 Mbps Upload speed 26.48 Mbps 00:45:46 Tom Trottier: Reacted to "Strange the download..." with 👍🏼 00:46:25 Tom Trottier: Could you improve Alan's internet? 00:46:27 France Picard Ottawa: Why do some people have such big numbers? Mine is 41.43 Mbps down and 15.39 Mbps up. Some are like this but some have hundres of Mbps. Why? 00:46:29 James: Bell Fibre 25.33 download 53.33 00:46:55 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Speeds are dependent on plans. i.e. costs 00:47:07 Steve Parker: Test again and got:Download speed 40.00 Mbps Upload speed 10.20 Mbps 00:47:44 France Picard Ottawa: I'm satisfied with mine. Why would someone need hundreds of Mbps? Gamers? 00:48:20 Tristan: You can get some very good deals if fight a bit for it. I switched from 150 Mbps download to 1.5 Gbps and now pay significantly less then the old plan. 00:48:22 Stew Bruce: Replying to "I'm satisfied with m..." Windows updates 00:48:30 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Faster downloads of very large files is one reason 00:48:44 France Picard Ottawa: Replying to "Faster downloads of ..." Thanks 00:48:56 Tom Trottier: 2nd test, bell fibe, bought 1.5Gdown, 1Gup Download speed 871.45 Mbps Latency 3.42 ms Jitter 0.36 ms Packet Loss 2.61 0/0 Upload speed 791.36 Mbps 00:49:06 bea: Is Canadian shield compatible with Bit defender 00:49:07 France Picard Ottawa: Reacted to "Windows updates" with 👍 00:49:13 France Picard Ottawa: Replying to "I'm satisfied with m..." @Stew Bruce Thanks 00:49:43 Tom Trottier: More bandwidth is good for downloads, 4k video, multiple users at your home. 00:49:47 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): @Stew Does faster Internet make reboots faster? 00:49:57 Natalie: I tested with Cdn Shield 3 times: each time, the numbers went up significantly. 00:50:15 Tom Trottier: Do you have a google calendar for your events? ICS files? 00:50:45 Glen: Does Canadian shield protect against phishing attacks etc from emails from non Canadian domains? 00:50:54 Stew Bruce: Replying to "@Stew Does faster I..." Only if you are doing it remotely :) 00:50:55 Serge-Érik: I just signed up on March 22 with Bell Internet 300 package and supposed to get 300 Mbps max download and 150 Mbps max upload speeds, but the CIRA test tells me that I only get 88.61 Mbps download; 42.65 Mbps upload. Just wondering if I should not have registered for a lower speed package... 00:51:22 Phil: Great presentation, thanks! 00:51:45 France Picard Ottawa: Very informative presentation. Thanks! 00:51:56 Tristan: @Serge-Érik also give this one a try, to see a second opinion. I'm also seeing odd numbers from the Cira test. https://www.speedtest.net 00:52:47 Steve Parker: Cloud Storage is affected tremendously by internet speed 00:53:17 Tom Trottier: OpenDNS server gives more configurability 00:53:35 Tristan: @Steve Parker particularly upload speeds, which tend to be generally poor in Canada. 00:54:33 Tom Trottier: Unmute? 00:54:38 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "When & Where is the ..." @Tom Rebel has .ca $11.99, .com $18.99, i.e. the reverse of your thesis 00:54:50 Serge-Érik: Replying to "@Serge-Érik also giv..." Thx, Tristan. I got similar results: 88.26/46.33 Mbps. 😢 00:55:10 Arfi.Hagi-Yusuf (CIRA): https://www.cira.ca/en/canadian-shield/ 00:56:34 Natalie: I have a paid BitDefender account. Will it conflict with Cdn Shield? 00:57:23 Tristan: @Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator) Have to check the renewal costs as well. Some registrars take a loss on the first year, to really bleed you on the renewal. (ex: for that Rebel example the renewal is $20.99, vs the first year $11.99). 00:58:11 Natalie: Replying to "@Serge-Érik also giv..." Download result was a lot higher with Speedtest than Cdn Shield (tested both 2ce right after each other). No idea why. 00:59:15 Tom Trottier: A lot of people do testprobes, ransomers, intelligence agencies, botnet builders, .... 00:59:31 Tristan: One of the best I've seen for pricing on domains, is porkbun.com. For CA, it is $8.69 renews at $9.15. 00:59:46 Tom Trottier: Seems to be $39 for .ca domain 01:00:08 Tom Trottier: Could you put links in the chat? 01:00:51 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "@Alan German (OPCUG ..." @Tristan .com renewal appears to be $20.95 so perhaps 4 cents saving? 01:00:51 Tristan: @Tom Trottier the various registrars buy in bulk, then sell at whatever price they like. So like with many things, one need to shop around. 01:02:24 Tom Trottier: https://canadianigf.ca/ - 2024 report out 01:02:43 Tristan: The story of single letter domains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_domain 01:03:37 Tom Trottier: the cira firewall just seems to be DNS filtering 01:03:51 Tom Trottier: https://www.cira.ca/en/cybersecurity/dns-firewall/ 01:04:24 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "Could you improve Al..." @Tom I think Bell upgraded me to 3 Gbps but they clearly forgot to tell the techs. 01:04:35 Glen: Does CIRA firewall augment or replace Windows firewall? Which is better? 01:05:36 Tristan: Replying to "@Alan German (OPCUG ..." @Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator) Yes, Rebel in general does not have very good pricing. 01:06:39 Coreen: Is there assistance available in download and install of Canadian Shield? 01:06:40 Tom Trottier: Replying to "@Serge-Érik also giv..." I think CIRA performance impacted by all of us 01:07:02 Natalie: BitDefender often blocks suspicious site access. 01:07:15 Steve Parker: Replying to "@Serge-Érik also giv..." that's true 01:07:52 Steve Parker: Replying to "@Serge-Érik also giv..." we're all using the internet to be in zoom 01:08:42 Tom Trottier: Replying to "Could you improve Al..." Rural internet usually bad - but 3G means fibre which is less affected. 01:09:09 Ma Vo: talking about differences... speedtest specified 18.86M & .59M whereas CIRA specified 6.1M & .30M on good ol' Ma Bell 01:09:29 Tristan: @bea Canadian Shield does not hide your location. I believe you may be thinking of a VPN service. 01:10:01 Stew Bruce: I guess the data point missing in our conversation is what we are paying for what we are getting. I'm paying (pre tax) $49. for 500 Mbps down & 100 up. I often get much better than that from the tests I run 01:12:50 Tristan: Looks like Canadian Shield can also be configured to utilize DoH or DoT. Which are DNS encryption mechanisms, so your ISP can't snoop on you. 01:14:20 Tom Trottier: Try Speedtest.net 01:14:39 Rosemary: Is the internet speed limited to the cable/wiring in your home it is running on? 01:15:06 J.J. Johnson: Remember WiFi is slower than hard wired internet 01:15:19 Phil: Do speed tests depend upon other traffic on the internet? 01:15:21 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): A 300 plan should get better than 150 as that is the next lower level! 01:16:37 Tom Trottier: CIRA Download speed 429.48 Mbps Upload speed 196.93 Mbps Speedtest DOWNLOAD 976,86 Mbps UPLOAD 909,75 01:17:20 Tristan: Sadly the ISP companies have never really been held to task by our government. The CRTC have even done many things to help the big monopolies, to our detriment. 01:17:48 Tom Trottier: Frankly, you won't get full speed except from test. Too many links in the way which throttle. 01:18:25 Tom Trottier: each 4K stream takes about 100Mbps 01:18:49 Stew Bruce: Holy crap, I just ran speedtest and got 500 up and down 01:19:22 Tom Trottier: If you back up remotely, the faster your upload, the better. 01:19:40 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Replying to "Holy crap, I just ra..." They are monitoring the chat! 01:20:14 Tom Trottier: 1 Gigabits/second is only 125MB/sec - the speed of a hard disk. SSDs much faster 01:20:15 Timothy: Reacted to "They are monitoring ..." with 😂 01:21:05 Stew Bruce: Replying to "Holy crap, I just ra..." Well, lets keep this chat going .... 01:21:50 Tom Trottier: When I bought act.ca for my exwife, had to justify the name 01:23:30 Tom Trottier: Many Top Level Domains available now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain 01:24:05 Tom Trottier: and for each country too, like .ca, .us, .... 01:25:27 Tom Trottier: https://tld-list.com/ 01:25:44 Glen: Does Canadian Shield provide DNS service on non-Canadian domains? 01:26:05 Coreen: Good point especially if you are in an apartment building with one provider. 01:26:06 Tom Trottier: Yes, works for the whole world 01:27:59 Jocelyn Doire: Is there project ongoing with satellite ISP, such as StarLink? 01:28:55 Eldon Gaw: how many employees are employed by CIRA? 01:30:26 Glen: Should an Internet user use QUAD9 as well as CIRA? 01:30:28 Gail Eagen: Thank you so much. Very interesting. 01:30:33 Coreen: Excellent Thank you Arfi. 01:30:41 Ed Morawski: Very good presentation 01:30:42 Carol Pearson: Very interesting Thank you. 01:30:49 Alan German (OPCUG Meeting Coordinator): Q&A next Wednesday. Questions and shares to SuggestionBox@opcug.ca 01:31:02 Rosemary: Thanks for a wonderful presentation! 01:31:04 Timothy: Thank you Arfi for your presentation tonight. 01:31:13 E O'Driscoll: Thank you for the presentation! 01:31:25 Natalie: Thanks! 01:31:26 Michelle Faber: Thank you 01:31:42 Serge-Érik: Thank you, Arfi! 01:31:49 Allison: Very interesting, thank you! 01:31:59 Coreen: Also thanks to Chris and Alan 01:32:05 Michelle Faber: Good night 01:35:44 Steve Parker: Check for available ISP speeds with: https://www.whistleout.ca/ 01:37:19 Jocelyn Doire: The old magazine, Monitor if I remember correctly, had list of ISP in Ottawa, is there an equivalent online.