00:09:35 Isaac Andrés: Hello everyone! First time here, nice to meet everyone! 00:10:26 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Replying to "Hello everyone! Firs..." Welcome! 00:10:35 Isaac Andrés: Reacted to "Welcome!" with ☺️ 00:12:26 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Welcome to all members and guests! Want to join the OPCUG? - https://opcug.ca/join-or-renew/ 00:13:53 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): There is no Q&A tonight as this is a regular monthly meeting. The nest Q&A session will be on Wednesday, January 15th. Questions on any computer-related issues are welcome, as are mini-presentations of your favourite computer program or on an interesting topic that you would like to share with the group. Similarly, if you have a question about anything that would fit into one of our "Computer Basics" or "Smartphone Basics" segments send that along too. No question is too basic. If you don't know the answer, it is practically certain that there are others who also don't know. But, if nobody asks the question, we won't know to provide the answer... Send your questions or the details of what you would like to share to: SuggestionBox@opcug.ca (Note that questions, comments, and shares can be anonymous if requested.) 00:14:21 Isaac Andrés: Reacted to "There is no Q&A toni…" with ❤️ 00:18:00 Jocelyn Doire: You're the most expert person that I know! :) 00:18:05 Isaac Andrés: Reacted to "You're the most expe…" with ❤️ 00:18:59 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): Special Membership Offer!!! Not currently a member? Join OPCUG before March 31st. Pay $20 for one-year’s membership. We will give you an additional year’s membership at no further cost! Details: https://opcug.ca/join-or-renew/ Already an OPCUG Member? Do not renew your membership! Your membership expiry date will be extended by another year at no cost 00:19:32 Stew Bruce: Replying to "Hello everyone! Firs..." Hello Isaac, Hope you enjoy the meeting. 00:19:40 Isaac Andrés: Reacted to "Hello Isaac, Hope yo…" with ❤️ 00:19:50 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: Reacted to "Hello Isaac, Hope yo..." with ❤️ 00:19:53 Isaac Andrés: Replying to "Hello everyone! Firs…" Thank you both! 😎 00:23:11 Tom Trottier: ChatGPT looks knottier than Perplexity.... 00:25:59 Tom Trottier: multimodal - reminds me of bandaids... 00:30:49 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Ooooooo… ~~~ 00:32:10 Timothy: I vote for Chat. 00:34:01 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: I like to see that 00:34:08 Jeff Dubois: Ottawa is missing because it thinks we got swallowed up by the States. :-) 00:36:12 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): @Jeff When Trump invades Greenland, he will have to fight himself in support of his NATO ally. Has he thought this (anything?) through? 00:36:24 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "@Jeff When Trump in..." with 😂 00:36:46 Bill: Gem must be counting in all the surrounding cities 00:36:49 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: It’s interesting to see how the interpretations made by the AI is made clear to us, which is where the confusion comes from 00:36:58 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Replying to "It’s interesting to ..." isn’t* 00:37:04 Eldon Gaw: personally I preferred Perplexity 00:37:10 Tom Trottier: Wikipedia- TO popn Greater Toronto Area proper had a 2021 population of 6,712,341 00:37:17 Jeff Dubois: Reacted to "@Jeff When Trump in..." with 😂 00:37:24 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: @Eldon - I agree! 00:37:32 Timothy: need a recount. 00:37:57 Natalie: Probably Toronto vs GTA 00:38:08 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): The bots didn't all give the close body of water but the questions didn't ask for this; it wanted the populations. 00:38:51 Maureen: That is the GTA, not Toronto numbers. Too high 00:39:43 Chris Taylor, President OPCUG: In most cases, you don't even have to sign in 00:41:46 Darlene: I vote perplexity for gym 00:41:53 Raymond: This prompt style seems to favor ChatGPT. 00:42:51 Rosemary: Could all the AI tools be surveyed to inquire how they would rank each other? LOL 00:43:04 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Something interesting that I just tried out: I wrote a prompt in Spanglish (mixing Spanish and English words) into ChatGPT. The very first thing it wrote before getting into answering my question was: “I understand your mix of English and Spanish!” 00:44:14 Tom Trottier: Reacted to "Something interestin..." with 👍🏼 00:44:21 Stew Bruce: Reacted to "Something interestin..." with 👍🏼 00:45:13 Timothy: the chatgpt trophy looks a bit funky. 00:45:17 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Also puts you in their good graces if they decide to take over the world 00:46:02 Tom Trottier: Now if it said, "Je comprends...." 00:46:10 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Now if it said, "Je ..." with 😂 00:46:11 E O'Driscoll: Reacted to "the chatgpt trophy l..." with 😄 00:46:11 Raymond: Adding in "Please" reminds me of INTERCAL. If there's not enough of them, it won't run because the programmer is insufficiently polite. 00:46:14 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): Perplexity AI: How do you rank the accuracy of your answers versus those of ChatGPT, Gemini, and Co-Pilot? As an AI assistant created by Perplexity, I don't have information about my own accuracy compared to other AI models. However, based on recent studies comparing ChatGPT, Gemini, and Copilot: Copilot generally demonstrated the highest accuracy in interpreting complex data and answering questions26. In one study, Copilot achieved the highest mean rank for accuracy compared to ChatGPT-3.5 and Gemini2. Google's Gemini typically performed better than ChatGPT in terms of factual accuracy and up-to-date information4. However, results varied across different tests and question types. 00:46:19 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): ChatGPT's performance depended on the specific model used (GPT-3.5 vs GPT-4), with GPT-4 generally being more accurate than GPT-3.56. It's important to note that AI model performance can change rapidly as they are updated, so these comparisons may not reflect the most current capabilities. Additionally, accuracy can vary significantly depending on the specific task or type of question being asked. 00:46:43 Stew Bruce: Replying to "Also puts you in the..." I think they've already done that. Now, they are just testing us. :) 00:46:59 Rosemary: Reacted to "Perplexity AI: How d..." with 👏 00:47:09 Rosemary: Reacted to "ChatGPT's performanc..." with 👏 00:47:24 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "I think they've alre..." with 😂 00:47:37 Maureen: perplexity 00:47:40 Jeff Dubois: Replying to "@Jeff When Trump in..." He spoke about the 'artificial border"... I wonder if that was a creation of his artificial intelligence? :-) 00:50:24 Tom Trottier: There's an Ottawa in Illinois.... 00:50:51 J Enid Robins-Hollm: Will any of them help with stock picks? 00:52:14 Raymond: Some people are quite good at GeoGuessr. 00:52:22 Raymond: Shouldn't be too hard for an AI either. 00:52:26 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Some people are quit..." with 👍 00:54:20 Eldon Gaw: Peggyus Cove 00:54:58 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Camera information too? 00:55:10 Brett Martensen: Should try it with just the rocks 00:55:23 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Should try it with j..." with 👍 00:55:40 Tom Trottier: Lynda, did you have GPS coordinates in your photo(s) 00:55:45 Ed Morawski: how does this compare to Google Image search? 00:56:55 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "how does this compar..." with 👍 00:57:42 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Could you give it an artificially generated image? It would interesting to see what it would guess 00:58:04 Tom Trottier: https://www.geoguessr.com/ - it's a game and has some experts in guessing locations of photos 00:59:17 Tom Trottier: not the future, the past! 00:59:28 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "https://www.geoguess..." with 👍 01:01:02 Tom Trottier: Alan gardens! 01:01:09 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Could the image quality affect its ability to guess appropriately? Because I would imagine that it would have a hard time trying to process a very blurry picture. 01:01:57 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): @Isaac The fountain isn't sharp in this photo. 01:02:01 Stew Bruce: Replying to "Could the image qual..." Of course. More data, more accuracy 01:02:11 KWG: How fast does it return the results? 01:02:13 Brett Martensen: India 01:02:28 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Of course. More dat..." with 👍 01:02:32 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "@Isaac The fountain..." with 😁 01:02:32 Natalie: Jaipur? 01:04:14 Eldon Gaw: Auld Kirk, seen it many ,many times :-) 01:04:37 Jocelyn Doire: Can you help GeoSpy with clues you know like the date? 01:05:24 Tom Trottier: The mosque may be wrong - https://www.google.com/search?tbs=isz%3Al&hl=en-US&q=The+Sri+Mahamariamman+Temple+inKuala+Lumpur%2C+Malaysia&udm=2 01:05:40 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Scotland? 01:05:52 Eldon Gaw: Im guessing NFLD somewhere? 01:06:28 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Replying to "Scotland?" Inadvertently also showed that I’m not from Canada haha! 01:06:29 Rosemary: on the East Coast Trail? 01:07:51 Brett Martensen: GeoSpy needs to be trained on a much larger database of images. 01:08:17 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: 👏 01:11:01 Jocelyn Doire: Can you provide clues to GeoSpy? 01:12:33 Tom Trottier: https://www.youtube.com/@GeoWizard 01:12:34 Maureen: are these at the libraries? 01:12:41 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to " ht..." with 👍 01:13:51 Tom Trottier: Excellent presentation, Bob - you're getting to be a real wizard! 01:13:59 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): https://opcug.ca/opl-presentations/ 01:13:59 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Excellent presentati..." with ❤️ 01:15:09 Robert Benson: Lynda, Thank you for your knowledge great info. 01:15:17 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Lynda, Thank you for..." with ❤️ 01:17:16 Tom Trottier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoqWbpZUOSo 01:18:53 Tom Trottier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZx45SdbOeU 01:19:52 Rosemary: add a car chase? 01:20:16 Tom Trottier: And an evil wizard! 01:20:46 Tom Trottier: I also vote for a car chase! 01:21:04 Timothy: a strange sound 01:21:21 Rosemary: Reacted to "I also vote for a ca..." with 😃 01:25:21 Rosemary: wonderful summary 01:30:00 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: How can we be sure that the summaries accurately reflect the content from the source? Similar to what was discussed earlier with “hallucinations” (spooky!) 01:32:18 Stew Bruce: Reacted to "How can we be sure t..." with 👍 01:34:36 Natalie: So much for paywalls! 01:35:21 Tom Trottier: https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sorcerer%27s_Apprentice 01:35:38 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Cool! 01:37:50 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: I used to stop loading the website before it loaded the script for the paywall, and then CTRL + A and CTRL + C the text in a different Word document. I don’t think it works anymore sadly. 01:37:59 José Costa: Saving articles to Pocket (https://getpocket.com/) often downloads full articles even if only first part is shown 01:39:25 mikev: Reacted to "Saving articles to P..." with 👍 01:40:59 J.J. Johnson: I enjoy using Ideogram and Leonardo for graphic generation over CoPilot,. 01:41:56 J.J. Johnson: Eleven Labs and Hedra for text to voice and text to video. 01:42:24 Tom Trottier: Kill youtube ads.... and much more https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/enhancer-for-youtube/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search 01:42:39 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: A bit of a broader question: how can we ensure that everyone is educated appropriately as these new tools are coming out? For example, how to ensure that people are aware of the differences between Gemini, ChatGPT, Perplexity, etc. as soon as they come out. Especially as these tools are being implemented on a very public level without much of an introduction (ie, I suddenly realized that I was getting AI-generated answers on my Google searches as the first option instead of actual links, and it was quite interesting to notice how it was changing the way I fundamentally used Google). 01:46:45 Tom Trottier: https://magicwrite.netlify.app 01:47:15 Maureen: This presentation has been really interesting and I have really enjoyed it. Will the video be accessible to watch at a later date and time? 01:47:37 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: I just tried asking for a summary on a video with no captions on, and it looks like it couldn’t summarize it if it doesn’t have access to a captions file from the video. 01:47:53 Eldon Gaw: Personally, I believe it is just a matter of us taking the time like you have Bob, to sit in the comfy office chair and just get our hands dirty. Get In there. , hit the keys and play with each one and find which one works best for us. Thanks so much for this Bob, its been an amazing eye opener Journey for me. Disclaimer: ACYW Always check your work! 01:47:58 Michael Wolfson: Bravo! 01:48:01 Rosemary: Very interesting, Thank you 01:48:04 Carol Pearson: Great stuff Bob, Thanksvery much 01:48:07 Jeff Dubois: Great job Bob. 01:48:07 Lynda Buske: Great job Bob!! 01:48:12 Gail Eagen: Thank you, Bob!!! 01:48:20 Allison: This was great, Bob! 01:48:25 Bill: Great Bob! Thanks so much. 01:48:30 E O'Driscoll: Wow - thanks Bob- fascinating. News to me about TLDR and completing texts, etc!!!. 01:48:49 E O'Driscoll: Thanks to Linda too! 01:49:06 Natalie: Thanks for sharing all of your tips from experimenting with AI . That saved us novices a lot of time! 01:49:35 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): @Maureen The PowerPoint deck, audio recording and the contents of the chat will be posted to https://opcug.ca/past-presentations/ in the next day or two. 01:49:46 Timothy: Don't you just love live presentations. It was really a great presentation from both Bob and Lynda.. 01:49:49 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): Special Membership Offer!!! Not currently a member? Join OPCUG before March 31st. Pay $20 for one-year’s membership. We will give you an additional year’s membership at no further cost! Details: https://opcug.ca/join-or-renew/ Already an OPCUG Member? Do not renew your membership! Your membership expiry date will be extended by another year at no cost 01:49:54 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Reacted to "Special Membership O..." with ❤️ 01:50:14 Maureen: Reacted to "@Maureen The PowerP..." with ❤️ 01:50:25 Isaac Carrasco-Ortiz: Thank you so much! 01:50:32 Alan German (OPCUG Treasurer): The next Q&A session will be on Wednesday, January 15th. Questions on any computer-related issues are welcome, as are mini-presentations of your favourite computer program or on an interesting topic that you would like to share with the group. Similarly, if you have a question about anything that would fit into one of our "Computer Basics" or "Smartphone Basics" segments send that along too. No question is too basic. If you don't know the answer, it is practically certain that there are others who also don't know. But, if nobody asks the question, we won't know to provide the answer... Send your questions or the details of what you would like to share to: SuggestionBox@opcug.ca (Note that questions, comments, and shares can be anonymous if requested.) 01:50:42 Ed Morawski: Very interesting, thought-provoking! 01:50:43 Maureen: Great presentation style to keep the content interesting and engaging! well done 01:51:38 Eldon Gaw: Many Thanks to you too Lynda. an amazing contribution. 01:54:25 Michelle Faber: Thank you.