00:06:10 Mark Cayer: Evening all. Here with no Webcam or Mic but just "lurking" about. Interesting how how the writeup for Bob's presentation mentions waiting for self driving cars "within 20 years" ... they said the same thing about driving cars using hydrogen ... and still do in some circles. 00:09:18 Mark Cayer: Hmm participants list has Stew Bruce Twice!! 00:10:02 Alan German (Treasurer): @Mark Stewart listens on one device and talks on another. 00:10:56 Mark Cayer: One of my EV buddies was complaining that drones over a certain size/weight require all sorts of licensing and paperwork to be legally used. 00:12:19 Alan German (Treasurer): Note that, as usual, there will not be a Q&A session following the monthly meeting. However, if you have questions for next week's Q&A session, or shares that you wish to present, send the details to SuggestionBox@opcug.ca 00:13:55 Bob Herres: Yes Mark that is true... I'm have a Transport Canada Basic Drone Pilot License, $10 and 90 minute on line test 00:15:07 Chris Taylor (President): Welcome to all members and guests! Want to join the OPCUG? - https://opcug.ca/join-or-renew/ 00:17:19 Chris Taylor (President): Bob's deck 00:17:25 Chris Taylor (President): https://opcug.ca/presentations/2023-10-self-driving-cars.pdf 00:35:54 Tom Trottier: "Welcome to the first fully automated commercial flight. Nothing can go wrong....go wrong....go wrong....go wrong....go wrong....go wrong. 00:36:22 Timothy: HAL.... 00:37:45 Chris Taylor (President): I do worry about autonomous cars being hacked .. for the LOLs. There are a lot of weird people out there! 00:38:28 Timothy: Wasn't that proven last year that a car could be hacked. 00:40:08 Chris Taylor (President): Many cases. I think this year's Pwn2Own at CanSecWest in Vancouver was the first to include a Tesla Model 3. It was successfully hacked. 00:41:34 Jocelyn Doire: Human are easily hacked! 00:43:05 Tom Trottier: As a cyclist, I worry about cars, and especially TRUCKS. One of the biggest killers is trucks turning a corner & having the trailer running over a cyclist or pedestrian. Rideau & King Edward has had that happen at least twice. 00:44:44 Jocelyn Doire: Happened to someone in my family πŸ™ 00:47:10 Tom Trottier: https://www.google.com/search?q=rideau+%22king+edward%22+%2Btruck+pedestrian+OR+cyclist -- About 1,680 results 00:47:17 Martin: We are just back from Europe where we rented a vehicle with Adaptive Cruise Control. I have the impression that it is standard in new cars there. Do you know how common is Adaptive Cruise Control in cars now being sold in North America? 00:50:02 Tom Trottier: I think computer drivers will be safer than humans. And cheaper for uber/taxis. Maybe the end of personal cars. 00:50:58 Stew Bruce: Anyone remember that commercial a few years ago with Van Damme doing stretches while braced between two autonomous Volvo Semis rolling down the road? 00:51:36 Tom Trottier: Is the mapping really needed if the cars/trucks have good vision & thinking? 00:52:32 Tom Trottier: I've made a corner radar reflector to attach to my bike rear fender. 00:53:39 Tom Trottier: Cars can also be "crowd-sourced" mapping vehicles 00:54:49 Jocelyn Doire: When self driving becomes prevalent a lot of people will loose their jobs, including bus, taxi, truck, etc., drivers. 00:56:02 Tom Trottier: And we will all be safer & richer 00:56:49 Stew Bruce: Not only will people need a new job, cities won't need all those expensive traffic light systems everywhere 00:58:33 Timothy: We will still need the traffic light systems years after cars start to drive themselves. 01:00:21 Chris Taylor (President): We hear about things like AI systems like ChatGPT "hallucinating". Wouldn't want that to happen with an autonomous car! 01:01:04 Tom Trottier: If only the AI watched good drivers driving WELL! 01:01:16 Carol Pearson: Reacted to "If only the AI watch..." with πŸ‘ 01:01:28 Chris Taylor (President): But it an probably learn a lot by also watching bad drivers! 01:01:43 Tom Trottier: Or watched mistakes & knew they were mistakes 01:01:55 Mark Cayer: Reacted to "If only the AI wat..." with πŸ‘ 01:03:09 Tom Trottier: And N. Korea 01:03:36 Chris Taylor (President): "goals aligned with ours? - who is "us". There are plenty of huimans that have goals that make me shudder. 01:04:22 Timothy: We just have to make sure that cars have the "3 rules" built in and not changeable by AI's. 01:05:48 Chris Taylor (President): Asimov's writing showed how the three rules left a lot of wiggle room to create significant problems! 01:05:50 Stew Bruce: So, we might defeat Terminator with a middle-finger salute? 01:06:57 Carol Pearson: Reacted to "So, we might defeat ..." with πŸ˜‚ 01:08:12 Carol Pearson: What do insurers do? 01:08:30 Tom Trottier: One advantage of self-driving cars could be fast "convoys" of dozens or hundreds of vehicles travelling a metre apart at 200kph or more 01:08:46 Tom Trottier: and economically due to drafting 01:09:20 Tom Trottier: No traffic lites necessary! 01:10:06 Jocelyn Doire: Asimov showed many examples how the 3 laws are not perfect, great book 01:10:44 Tom Trottier: Books 01:10:48 Carol Pearson: increased taxes with no traffic infrations 01:11:52 Tom Trottier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_series 01:12:08 Stew Bruce: Teenagers won't have to find a place to park anymore...... 01:14:55 Tom Trottier: Hourly motels? 01:15:33 Tom Trottier: Bikes cheaper, healthier for all. 01:17:28 Tom Trottier: Only 22% of Manhatten residents own cars. 01:19:07 Tom Trottier: And teenagers will get a good workout! 01:22:03 Tom Trottier: So, more births! 01:24:26 Tom Trottier: So, car stolen, take over, run into a wall! 01:25:48 Timothy: Some safety drivers were spotted sleeping. 01:26:21 Tom Trottier: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/business/driverless-cars-san-francisco-cruise/index.html 01:28:50 Tom Trottier: I doubt banning of other vehicles - driverless cars need to handle various scenarios, including mad driverless vehicles 01:30:20 Alan German (Treasurer): With an autonomous delivery truck, who delivers? 01:30:21 Carol Pearson: will they go without someone in a driver seat? what if a child can get in? 01:30:52 Tom Trottier: I'm waiting for the first driverless Cannonball Run! 01:31:32 Carol Pearson: Reacted to "I'm waiting for the ..." with πŸ˜‚ 01:32:23 Mark Cayer: Yes Carol. There are stories of 3 years old hoping into Teslas and "driving" off with the family vehicle. 01:32:39 Carol Pearson: Reacted to "Yes Carol. There are..." with 😯 01:34:17 Bob Herres: Reacted to "I'm waiting for the ..." with πŸ˜‚ 01:36:20 Tom Trottier: Great presentation, Bob 01:36:30 Bob Herres: Thank you Bob, Great Presentation. For me, I truly can't to get my first self-driving car! It'll be a breeze, compared to my wife constantly telling me how to drive! πŸ˜ƒ 01:36:43 Carol Pearson: That was wonderful!!! so many more questions! 01:36:46 Jocelyn Doire: Tesla no longer annotate object by human, and no longer detect objects, instead, like us, it construct a model of the world and then use that model to drive in the world. Their AI is the most advanced in world by a long shot, and is improving exponentially with constant inputs from all the self-driving cars on the road. 01:37:21 Mark Cayer: Thanks Bob. Lots of great info and topics to follow up on. 01:37:36 Stew Bruce: πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘ 01:37:40 Bill: Excellent presentation Bob! Very, very interesting. Lots of research. 01:39:06 Alan German (Treasurer): Given that a hybrid has a battery and an engine/transmission-based charger why can't they all be plug-in hybrids? 01:39:08 E O'Driscoll: OMG what a great presentation. A lot of work too!!!❀️ 01:39:23 Jocelyn Doire: I've seen enough video of Tesla self-driving cars to see that self-driving is here and works reliably is just about all real world conditions 01:39:38 Gail (Secretary): Amazing Presentation! Wonderful job!!! 01:39:44 Lynda: So comprehensive Bob...my brain is full! Thanks! 01:39:47 Allison: Wonderful presentation, Bob. Great update. I was very interested in the first part about air traffic, too. 01:40:35 Michelle Faber: Thank you. Very interesting. Lots to learn about electric cars. 01:40:46 bea: wow what an interesting progression - amazing depth - thanks 01:41:58 Wayne: Excellent presentation, Bob. Great Update. 01:42:02 Ed Morawski: Really good presentation! 01:42:37 Tom Trottier: Luddites! 01:43:13 Stew Bruce: I really liked your comment "the future WILL be messy" Very realistic observation that stuff happens and will need to be fixed but it will probably work out in the end 01:43:23 Timothy: Great presentation. I wonder if anyone has thought of power failures in cities. 01:44:12 Serge-Γ‰rik: Big thank you, Bob. Great information. 01:46:15 Mark Cayer: Funny how everyone hears "self driving" and instantly assumes that means an electric car ... 01:46:26 Chris Taylor (President): https://opcug.ca/presentations/2023-10-self-driving-cars.pdf 01:47:03 Timothy: I think that when I'm very old, those self-driving cars will be too expensive for me. 01:47:29 E O'Driscoll: Thanks for the link to the pdf. I want to go over the info again. 01:47:57 Bob Gowan: Very informative presentation, Bob. Thanks !!! 01:50:15 Tom Trottier: Fqnboys 01:50:20 Tom Trottier: Fanboys 01:53:18 E O'Driscoll: Thanks again Bob. 01:55:56 Ed Morawski: Ottawa, being what it is, will be clouded over.